Friday, April 10, 2009

Dividing the Hours of the 6th Day

According to the counting system presented in Kol HaTor, we are currently in the 7th hour of the 6th day, since we count only the 2nd half of the 6th millennium.  According to Talmud Bavli Sanhedrin 38b and Pirkei d'Rebbi Eliezer chapter 11, this is the hour in which Hashem made Chava for Adam.

If we divide the 7th hour again in to 24 parts, the new 7th hour falls from 5782 to 5784 (ignoring the fractions of years).
What is interesting as well is that during the 3rd hour, Adam stretches out his limbs.  This covers 5775 to 5777, covering the next Yovel.
Update:
A commentor reminded me of a Baraita in the Yerushalmi Brachot 1:1 that goes as follows:
רבי אומר ארבע אשמורות ביום וארבע אשמורות בלילה העונה אחד מעשרים וארבעה לשעה העת אחד מעשרים וארבעה לעונה הרגע אחד מעשרים וארבעה לעת
Rebbi says: There are four watches of the day and four watches of the night.  An "onah" is 1/24th of an hour.  An "et" is 1/24th of an "onah".  A "rega" is 1/24th of an "et".
Doing the math recursively, the 7th rega of the 7th et of the 7th onah of the 7th hour of the 6th day brings us to approximately half way through 5783.  And the 3rd et of the 3rd onah of the 7th hour of the 6th day brings us to approximately 1/3 in to 5776.

40 comments:

  1. What's the significance of 24 parts to an hour?

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  2. Thank you for that question. The way you word it reminded me of a Baraita in the Yerushalmi that divides the hour in 24 parts, and then divides that in to 24 parts as well, and then 1 more time.

    I'm trying to ascertain the meaning of something the GR"A said, and so I'm writing it out here, hoping for helpful comments. And what you wrote is helpful. Thanks

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  3. If we are in the 7th hour, the hour unit is 1000/24 years. If we are in the 10th hour, the hour unit is 1000/12 years. I think you mixed the two.

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  4. As far as I can tell, I did not.

    5751 starts the 7th hour:

    5001 + 18/24

    5782.25 starts the 7th onah:

    5751 + (1000*18)/(24*24)

    5783.55 starts the 7th et:

    5751 + (1000*18)/(24*24*24)

    5783.6 starts the 7th rega

    5751 + (1000*18)/(24*24*24*24)

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  5. So, 7th Onah of 7th Hour etc must be read as the 19th Onah of the 19th hour etc.

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  6. Right; the underlying assumption is that just as we ignore the first 12 here, we ignore it here.

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  7. The thought in my head is that the GR"A spoke of the hours in his peirush to Sifra diTzniuta, and said from that, you could determine the single year. No reference to a generation.

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  8. Then the natural other series would be the tenth Rega of the tenth Et of the tenth Onah of the tenth hour, without ignoring the first halves.

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  9. Yes. As far as I am concerned, that is one year short, only one year, but nevertheless. Perhaps you can say Achishena.

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  10. You mean that you have 72 at 5820?

    BTW have you received my email that I sent before Chag?

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  11. Yes, 72 is what I meant. I did not see mail. I was very busy before Chag (business). I will check.

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  12. So one Geulah by the 24 hours, another by 12.

    אלו ואלו

    Yashar Koach

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  13. Interesting, I remember sending it.

    Regardless, other than a thank you for your latest writings, it was a request to expand perhaps on the next to last paragraph of your post from March 29th.

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  14. Sepher Yetzira stuff. 28 letters counts to a thousand:
    1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,20,30,40,50,60,70,80,90,100,200,300,400,500,600,700,800,900,1000.

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  15. G-d willing I will review this with my sefer at home later and I will write you to the email that I have with more educated inquiries. If you don't get anything from me by tomorrow, please let me know by email or here.

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  16. The 9th Rega of the 9th Et of the 9th Onah of the 9th hour ends up close also, between 59 and 60.

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  17. And the first geulah of 5708 needs no complicated math. Yashar Koach

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  18. I had emailed you at your @015 account.

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  19. If 60, 66, 66.6 and 72 are fractals, and 56 is not, perhaps we can deduce that what comes from Vav is fractal, as is Vav itself.

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  20. And yet again we find ourselves with the odd man out, pointing us to look at the reasons. Either to them the 2300 was obvious, and therefore the 256 was a kisuy on that, or we are missing something about the 256. If 256 is equal to 2300, then the first 200 are equal to about 1900, so each step is 9.5 years.

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  21. Got it, replied. As I see it, the appliation of 2300 years to specific years derives from its defining a parallel between Bayit Sheni and Acharit HaYamim.

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  22. Thanks, and I replied as well.

    Are you saying that the Churban Bayit Rishon to Binyan Bayit Sheini parallels the period after the 2300?

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  23. I replied to the email you sent, so it went to yet another of your accounts :)

    Resending now to the prior address. Actually I accidentally sent it to both addresses.

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  24. Thanks for part 1. Looking forward to the rest.

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  25. Is there a mathematical symmetry? I'm having trouble seeing it if so.

    5801 would parallel 3339, but there seems to be a discrepancy of about 20 years.

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  26. hi
    it is all very interesting.
    please could you work out for me the following date in the future according to your way of calculating.
    6 hours 37 minuites and 42 seconds
    many thanks
    Avraham ben eliyahu

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  27. what time would simchat torah 5776 work ouyt to be according to your clock.i think its a shmitta year

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  28. Simchat Torah 5776 would be either in the time that we have it, or off by a month if a Sanhedrin changes the calendar by then. That is a Yovel year. Shmitah is next in 5775.

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  29. avaraham ben eliyahuSeptember 15, 2009 at 9:36 PM

    i meant in hours and minuites and seconds eg 6 hours 36 minuites 50 seconds.please could you calculate.i meant yovel year
    thanks
    avraham

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  30. Not sure what you are really aiming at, but the second value gives 5775.578704.

    It's just 5500+(500/12)*6 + (500/(12*60))*36 + (500/(12*60*60)) * 50.

    Just change the values to get the results you want.

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  31. What i am aiming at is what hourly value would you give(in hours minuites and seconds) for the day of simchat torah in 5776.would it work out as I think 6.37.42 as you calculated 5776.18?
    \sorry to be a bother but maths is not my forte.

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  32. Simchat Torah would likely be a few "seconds" earlier, less than .1 years in to 5776.

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  33. Thank you very much. nice to know im only a few seconds out. mark down that date in your diary.by the way how are you sure it is a yovel year?

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  34. Care to share the meaning of that date to you?

    http://sites.google.com/site/yovelgeulah/

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  35. I would me more than happy but i think we should do it face to face.
    here is my mail israelintroduction@gmail.com

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