The visions of Daniel regarding the End of Days are from chapters 7 - 12.
The different chapters occur at different times, presented in chronological order:
- Chapter 7 - The 1st year of Belshatzar
- Chapter 8 - The 3rd year of Belshatzar
- Chapter 9 - The 1st year of Daryavesh of Madai
- Chapter 10 - The 3rd year of Koresh, King of Paras
- Chapter 11 - Recounted to Daniel during the 3rd year of Koresh, but recounts what happened during the 1st year of Daryavesh of Madai
- Chapter 12 - Continuation of chapter 11.
The general content is as follows:
- Chapter 7 - Description of history, ending with the revelation of Moshiach ben David on the "clouds of heaven". This is a description that is beginning to end.
- Chapter 8 - Description of history, from the fall of Babylon until the founding of the State of Israel, the 1st Geulah. This is the vision of "evening, morning, 2300"
- Chapter 9 - Description of the 2nd Beit HaMikdash period. Alternatively, as brought in the comments to some of our posts, a description of the Steps of Moshiach, therefore putting the end of this chapter after that of chapter 8, a logical progression. This is the vision of "70 Weeks".
- Chapter 10 - An introduction to chapter 11
- Chapter 11 - A description of a time of great trouble (per the beginning of chapter 12, which is a continuation of chapter 11). This is towards the end. Being this is also regarding the 1st year of Daryavesh, it appears to be related to the "70 Weeks" of chapter 9.
- Chapter 12 (verse 4 - 13) - Daniel requests further explanation, and is given 2 signs. Moed, Moadim, Va'cheitzi (Time, Times and a Half), and the 1290/1335 days.
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If the 480 years of Bayit Rishon and Galut Bavel were historically 480 * (10/3) = 1600 years, Churban Bayit Sheni was 480+1600+420=2500 after Yetziat Mitzrayim. This would be 2300 years before 480*10 years will have passed since Yetziat Mitzrayim. It seems another fulfillment of "2300", 420 years after the first.
ReplyDeleteTo complete the mathematical series, the years before Yetziat Mitzrayim are to be multiplied by 10*3.
I don't get the 2500 calculation. If you're saying 480 is really 1600, why is it 480 + 1600? And what about Galut Bavel?
ReplyDeleteThere is 480 until Bayit Rishon, and there is another 480 (410+70) untit Bayit Sheni. The second I multiply with 10/3, and the first is the first ten percent of 480*10 years that reach until 2300 after Churban Bayit Sheni.
ReplyDeleteSo 2448 * (10 * 3)
ReplyDelete480 * (1)
480 * (10/3)
420 * (1)
What do we do with the remaining periods then? And how are you expressing those 1's to keep in series?
The first 480 is also *(10) and then the years after Churban Bayit Sheni are covered by that.
ReplyDeleteThe virtue of the proposal is that it provides consistency with at least:
1. The date of Churban Bayit Rishon, in 3175.
2. The estimated date of Churban Yericho.
3. The generally accepted time of the advent of man.
For clarity sake, can you please write it up as I did but with the correct factors?
ReplyDeleteA: -72111 (Homo Sapiens)
ReplyDeleteB: 1329 (Yetziat Mitzrayim)
C: 1809 (Bayit Rishon)
D: 3409 (Bayit Sheni)
E: 3829 (Churban Bayit Sheni)
F: 6129
B-A = 2448*10*3
F-B = 480*10
D-C = 480*10/3
C-B = 480
E-D = 420
F-E = 2300
Adding 3175:
ReplyDeleteA: -72111 (Homo Sapiens)
B: 1329 (Yetziat Mitzrayim)
C: 1809 (Bayit Rishon)
D: 3175 (Churban Bayit Rishon)
E: 3409 (Bayit Sheni)
F: 3829 (Churban Bayit Sheni)
G: 6129
B-A = 2448*10*3
F-B = 480*10
E-C = 480*10/3
E-D = 70*10/3
C-B = 480
F-E = 420
G-F = 2300
How literally are you taking this? That Adam HaRishon lived 930 * 30 years? Galut Mitzraim was 210 * 30 years?
ReplyDeleteRepairing a typo:
ReplyDeleteA: -72111 (Homo Sapiens)
B: 1329 (Yetziat Mitzrayim)
C: 1809 (Bayit Rishon)
D: 3175 (Churban Bayit Rishon)
E: 3409 (Bayit Sheni)
F: 3829 (Churban Bayit Sheni)
G: 6129
B-A = 2448*10*3
G-B = 480*10
E-C = 480*10/3
E-D = 70*10/3
C-B = 480
F-E = 420
G-F = 2300
Is there significance to 6129?
ReplyDeleteThe only thing I can think of for 6129 is (general) Techiat HaMetim. There is no need to suppose that the scaling is uniform. As I see it, the extra years in Bayit Rishon are just hidden. 70*7/3 in Galut Bavel, and the rest, I think, after Shlomo. A thousand wives, a thousand years - 300 Pilagshim, 10/3. I have no specific proposal for Bereshit, but I would not scale the life spans or the exile. The connection is different.
ReplyDeleteAlright, I think that explains that :)
ReplyDeleteIn honor of Yom HaAtzmaut I'll see if I have time to put up Daniel 8 with the Rasa"g and peirush. It'll take a while though.
In other news, the Krisah and the Mered both advance:
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3539801,00.html
First paragraph
Indeed. This seems to be it.
ReplyDeleteThe relation seems obvious from a political standpoint. I wonder if there will be a development davka on Wednesday. Afterall, the 270 days was just a hypothesis of mine.
ReplyDeleteWhy Wednesday? Remember, this is not the actual date of Yom Haatzmaut. Observance was moved up.
ReplyDeleteActually, more precise would have been for me to say יום רביעי which is not Yom HaAtzmaut.
ReplyDeleteThe Zohar in Shemot says that Techiat HaMetim is after a hundred and forty and four years.
ReplyDeleteThe count of Chesed reaches a hundred in 5993. After that, the combined count of Din and Chesed reaches forty in 6125. From there it is four years until 6129.
Yashar Koach, but now that you have solidified your theory, who are you going to tell? :)
ReplyDeleteInteresting that by the 144 it says the Sitra Achra leaves the world. That late? I thought that had to be in the 6th millenium. Perhaps that 144 is like the 132?
I realize now that Zohar Shemot 10 holds a possible answer to your earlier question regarding 408, at the comments at "The Fourth and Final Keitz". Note that 408=132+132+144.
ReplyDeleteIt would mean that the Midrash HaNe'elam confuses to instances of Techiat HaMetim.
"Yashar Koach, but now that you have solidified your theory, who are you going to tell? :)"
ReplyDeleteI think I will drop it here an there. A while ago I had a Chiloni trampist in the car, and I told him (not the 144 because I did not know it myself), and now I hear from his father in law that should he become a Chozer, he will only learn with me :-)
"Interesting that by the 144 it says the Sitra Achra leaves the world. That late? I thought that had to be in the 6th millenium. Perhaps that 144 is like the 132?"
ReplyDeleteIt seems to me that the Sitra Achra leaves in steps, just like Techiat HaMetim comes in steps. Until the final Techiat HaMetim, death is still there, and that is from the Sitra Achra.
Still seems problematic. By the GR"A there are two Geulot.
ReplyDeleteמשיח בן יוסף משיעבוד מלכויות
משיח בן דוד אז בלע המות לנצח
Moshiach ben David will live לנצח.
ReplyDeleteOn the one hand, that is logical, for Atik is the hanhagah if nitzchiyut, but the Ramchal says Biat HaMoshiach is from Arich. Perhaps that is resolved by the overlap.
ReplyDeleteRegarding Midrash Ne'elam, I withdraw what I said here. It does not confuse things. Rather, as before, I suggest that the way it refers to the sixth millenium holds the secret. In any case, the 408 is the sum of what is mentioned in Zohar Shemot 10, which is something I did not know.
ReplyDeleteDo you think all 408 years are within the 6th millenium davka or within the 480 * 10?
ReplyDeleteObviously, I now think the latter.
ReplyDeleteIt seems a puzzling way to present things. The 132's each seem to symbolize a certain development, from one level to the next. Going back for the 144 to the prior counting method seems like a step back in the development, even if it is to give the different levels of Techiyat HaMeitim.
ReplyDeleteThe 40 is based a different principle of counting. Din together with Chesed. It seems logical to count the other 40 in Midrash Neelam the same way. Taking 59 of Keter as 1 in a "Din with Chesed" count, it reaches 40 in 5919, 210 years before 5129. Perhaps this is why Rabbi Eliezer was sad.
ReplyDeleteSounds like you're saying the 59 brings a constant tikkun in the lower level. I.e. Keter fixes the lower level. However isn't it davka a zivug that creates the Tikkun and not the other way around?
ReplyDeleteThe higher level tikkun comes first, and trickles down to the lower level, where it materializes at 59.
ReplyDeleteNote that Midrash HaNe'elam can already not be realized in a pshat way within the sixth millenium. It speaks about 40 years after Beit HaMikdash and the end of Tzarot, followed by 210 years.
So 59 of Keter, 40 of Zivug, 210 literal years, bringing us to the end of Techiyat HaMeitim.
ReplyDeleteBut the 210 years are Techiyat HaMeitim and the 40 years are Kibbutz Galuyot. Are we saying that Moshiach ben Dovid has 40 years of the upper Zivug to ingather the Nidachim?
Kibbutz Galuyot is before or in the very beginning of the 40 years, which end with Techiat HaMetim of Tsadikim. The Zivug harmonizes Din and Chesed, so the way of counting seems really fitting. Let me call it a Tiferet count.
ReplyDeletePerhaps we can say that the Tiferet count from 59 of Keter brings the Hanhaga of Atik, but only for the Tsadikim. The others need more Chesed, and the merit of the seventh millenium, to reach harmony between Din and Chesed. Even then, the Tiferet count brings them only Hanhaga of Keter. Techiya does not follow immediately, but only after yet four years.
Then what is the purpose of the 40 years? An original Techiyat HaMeitim in this generation but the Tsaddikim are after another 40 "years"?
ReplyDeleteTechiat HaMetim does not come easy. It implies a dramatic change of Nature. The Techiya in our time might be of a kind that does not imply such a dramatic change. For instance, one oould see Techiya in Moshiach ben Yosef not dying, or in longevity of individuals until Techiat HaMetim.
ReplyDeleteGot it. But why call the 40 years Kibbutz Galuyot?
ReplyDeleteAnd on the latest post I just put up:
It would seem that the condition is fulfilled in 5727, if you consider that 5727 is the only time that Yovel intersects with "Shmitah" in the time of the 6th day's sun (from 5500 onward).
And on the other hand, 5776 is 66 in both counts, applying the name Yovel to the count that I proposed from the time of Yehoshua.
Raises the question why Yovel (Binah) is on the Right Side.
In my view the 40 "years" constitute the reign of Moshiach, parallel to the 40 "years" of Shlomo HaMelech. I am not saying that there will be no Nidachim for Moshiach to gather, but this is only one aspect of his reign. The main Kibutz Galuyot must be before and right in the beginning of the 40 years.
ReplyDeletePerhaps you can see רע''ד as a as an answer to your question. Shmita and Yovel together, in the same count, at the right.
Perhaps this is evidence that the writers of the Zohar didn't add 1 year to Seder Olam Rabba... 6000 - 274 = 5726. The letter מ is used... From the 6th day, from the end.
ReplyDeleteI agree. Testimony to a very ancient tradition.
ReplyDeleteIndeed. Baraita D'Shmuel Katan also has indications of using this older dating system. It records the current year as being a multiple of 84 (i.e. indicating the 84 year cycle of Pirkei D'Rebbi Eliezer was in use). It was 84n, not 1+84n.
ReplyDeleteIt is the end of the Zohar Maamar that says that this is the 60th year. Perhaps that is to indicate that even though our calculations show 59, it is on the level of 60.
If Yovel is Binah, that means Malchut is drawn towards Binah starting in 5727. Sound correct?
ReplyDeleteYes.
ReplyDeleteWould then it be fair to assume that this process ends with the following Yovel (or the Zechirah)?
ReplyDeleteThe second Yovel is pivotal, but I would prefer to say that the climax is the Zechirah.
ReplyDeleteOn the "natural development" of things in the Upper Spheres, it appears that those two years, 5727 and 5783, are the busiest in history.
ReplyDeletePlease do not compare this to Egel HaZahav. You are obviously referring to the Zohar that speaks of the calculations of the two heads of the Erev Rav. Their kishufim were L'shem Aveirah.
ReplyDeleteThere is a strong tendency in our time for "Moshiach now", stressing that all we need to do is daven harder, and magically Moshiach will show up. Unfortunately, this is not enough.
The topics that we cover here, though it may not seem as such, are to give us perspective as to where we are, where we were, and where we are going. Then we will also know how to get there, and how to face the challenges of our times.
Kol tuv
One of the subjects we discussed is the 408 years mentioned in Parshat Toldot of Midrash HaNe'elam. It seems to say there that in the year 5408 the dead arise. This was taken literal by Shabtai Tzvi and others and that caused devastation. From one perspective, we are figuring out what is the correct interpretation, in the light of the Zohar Shemot 10, but your point is well taken. We are only human. Also, with Teshuva it will all be earlier.
ReplyDeleteWith all this, and in all humitily, I think this comment thread has some spectacular chidushim for who understands.
For clarity, perhaps I will make a post of the Midrash Ne'elam in specific.
ReplyDelete"Perhaps we can say that the Tiferet count from 59 of Keter brings the Hanhaga of Atik, but only for the Tsadikim. The others need more Chesed, and the merit of the seventh millenium, to reach harmony between Din and Chesed. Even then, the Tiferet count brings them only Hanhaga of Keter. Techiya does not follow immediately, but only after yet four years."
ReplyDeleteI want to revise this. The 40 is always Atik, and the 4 is the Hanhaga of Yesod of Adam Kadmon.
Regarding the number 40, Atik has 42 years, but during the 2,000 years of Moshiach there is already a level of Hanhaga of Atik. This takes away 2, and forty remain.
Allow me to state another hypothesis in the line of the one I started this thread with. It seems that the six Shmitot (42,000 years) before the current Shmita of Malchut where under the Hanhaga of Atik. I propose that one must multipy the 42,000 with 3*100*1000 to get physical years. (This differs from rabbi Yitzchak MiAkko who has 120 instead of 100.) The last 2,000 of the 42,000 map to the 600 million years of animal evolution. The full 42,000 represent 12.6 billion physical years of stellar evolution. Before the oldest stars was the Hanhaga of Yesod of Adam Kadmon. With the same time dilatation, this is 1.2 billion physical years, bringing the total age of the physical Universe to 13.8 billion, which is well within the standard deviation of the latest, very accurate, scientific estimate.
ReplyDeleteAnd so it seems, that B"Chasdei Hashem we see a glimpse of the meaning of His Names.
ReplyDeleteThe world was created through the four-letter Name.
Man was created through the 42-letter Name.
Moshiach is brought through the 72-letter Name (of Keter).
The time of Moshiach has the Hanhaga of the 42-letter Name, which brings Techiat HaMetim of the Tsadikim.
Techiat HaMetim of the others is brought by the four-letter name, the Name of Chesed, HaShem, Who created the world and revives the dead.
Baruch Shemo.
זכאה חולקך
ReplyDeleteI'll ponder these words for a bit.
ברוך תהיה
ReplyDeleteThe 4 years of Atik, you mean 59-63 of Keter?
ReplyDeleteAnd another name = ס"ג - multiply it by 7.
ReplyDelete"The 4 years of Atik, you mean 59-63 of Keter?"
ReplyDeleteDid I write that?
"And another name = ס"ג - multiply it by 7"
ReplyDeleteBina of A"K.
I'm looking for clarification on this:
ReplyDelete"I want to revise this. The 40 is always Atik, and the 4 is the Hanhaga of Yesod of Adam Kadmon."
What is the 4?
These four are the last four of the 144 years, the last four until general Techiat HaMetim.
ReplyDeleteI need a recap.
ReplyDelete132 on the Left and Right are divided in to 2 parts, where and how, I understand.
Please explain the 144 again and the relation to the 40 and the 408.
Some modest suggestions about the Hanhagot.
ReplyDeleteThe Hanhaga of Yesod of K"A created a multidimensional symmetrical world and turned it into a world with 4 manifest dimensions, in which matter is distributed in a non-homogeneous way, with remaining dimensions hidden to give rise to the forces of Nature, setting the stage for stellar evolution. That is, the Hanhaga of Yesod of K"A created the laws of Nature. That fits Techiat HaMetim.
The Hanhaga of Atik gives direction to evolution, and in particular to its presumed-to-be random component. It fits the time of Moshiach, with its fast spiritual evolution.
The Hanhaga of Z"A goes mainly through the human mind.
408 is the sum of the three different counts, despite the overlap. 144 is the extension of the 72 count of the right. After it reaches 100, there is 40 in what I called the Tiferet count, combining Din and Chesed. After that there is four physical years.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the cosmological connection.
ReplyDeleteOn the other comment:
You're saying count to 100 on the Right and then continue 40 more in the middle, and then 4 in real years.
Whereas for the 408, take 40 in the middle, 210 real years after that.
The 408 is reached in two ways:
ReplyDelete1. Starting at 59 of Keter, 40 of Atik plus 210.
2. The end of 144.
40 + 210 = 6119, or 6121?
ReplyDelete144 takes us to 6130, correct?
5786 - 5919
ReplyDelete20 times count 7 (including 5786)
2 times count 50 (first Yovel 5851)
11 times count 12
7 times count 19
total: 40
5793 - 6125
19 times 7
3 times 50
11 times 12 (not including 5793, it is a count that continues)
7 times 19
total: 40
5919 + 210 = 6129 = 6125 + 4
Correction:
ReplyDelete5786 - 5919
20 times count 7 (including 5786)
2 times count 50 (first Yovel 5851)
11 times count 12
7 times count 19
total: 40
5993 - 6125
19 times 7
3 times 50
11 times 12 (not including 5793, it is a count that continues)
7 times 19
total: 40
5919 + 210 = 6129 = 6125 + 4
Correction:
ReplyDelete5786 - 5919
20 times count 7 (including 5786)
2 times count 50 (first Yovel 5851)
11 times count 12
7 times count 19
total: 40
5993 - 6125
19 times 7
3 times 50
11 times 12 (not including 5993, it is a count that continues)
7 times 19
total: 40
5919 + 210 = 6129 = 6125 + 4
So 144 arrives at 6129, but 408 seems to be 10 years short. 144 is the Sitra Achra being removed. Is it also necessarily the general Techiyat HaMeitim?
ReplyDelete"408 seems to be 10 years short."
ReplyDeleteIn my calculation, the 40 years end in 5919, as detailed above.
I mis-wrote. I meant that the 40 + 210 was 10 years short (which is written in the place in the Zohar where the 408 is mentioned).
ReplyDeleteIt appears to be not so...
ReplyDeleteWhat is it that appears to not be so
ReplyDeleteThe end of 40 after Kibbutz Galuyot is exactly 210 before 144.
ReplyDeleteOK I'll try again.
ReplyDelete59 of Keter starts count to 40, finishes in 5919, then starts count to 210, ending in 6129.
From 100, continue count to 40, arrive at 6126, add 4, get 6130.
Close enough? I should probably write this down somewhere for myself.
From 100, continue count to 40, arrive at 6125, add 4, get 6129.
ReplyDeleteI have 100 as being the 2nd 5993. I start at 1 with 5996, and arrive at 40 with 6126, not 6125.
ReplyDeleteSanhedrin will change the calendar. The sixth year of the Machzor will become the year of the latest Pesach, so that the 19-count falls in 6124 rather than 6126.
ReplyDeleteUnderstood.
ReplyDeleteFYI, finally got my hands on the GR"A's peirush to Tikkunei Zohar / Tikkunim miZohar Chadash. I'm going through the peirush on רנ"ו etc right now. Would you like (not davka right now) a scan of this page?
ReplyDeleteI don't have it. So, yes, please.
ReplyDeleteOK, B'ezrat Hashem I'll try to get it in today. It's not so pashut, the reprint goes very close to the binding, so it'll be hard to get it all, and some of it is hard to read, so if I type it, that might not help that much.
ReplyDeleteA little bit more on cosmology. I said that the 42 splits into 40 and 2, and that the 2 governed the evolution of animal life.
ReplyDeleteExtending this, the six Shmitot before Malchut are Chesed, Gevura, Tiferet, Netzach, Hod, Yesod. The days of creation at a level not realized by many. Yesod governs the evolution of cellular life, from eukaryotes to man. Hod governs the evolution of proto-cellular life, from prokaryotes to eukaryotes. Netzach governs the fourth day, the last part of stellar evolution, culminating in the creation of the Sun.
You are compiling this in to one place, right?
ReplyDeleteI have many things to compile, but compiling software takes unfortunately most of my time.
ReplyDeleteThis sure is taking a while. I typed in the text of the amud from the Tikkunim miZohar Chadash, as well as the Hagahot and Likutim from the GR"A. That is already 3/4 of a page. The text of the Beiur is smaller and takes up more room on the page. I guarantee there are typos. One interesting thing is that the GR"A says there is a Keitz at 235 in the Hagahot.
ReplyDeleteThere is one other possibility, though.
ReplyDeleteBy 2129, the calendar might have year 17 as the year of the latest Pesach. If so, year 2129 would be the end of the 40 years, so that the 144 would end in 2133. That is 214 years after 40 years after Kibbutz Galuyot, in accordance of the Shita of Rebbi Yitzchak.
Typos Typos, strange Typos.
ReplyDelete--------------------------
There is one other possibility, though.
By 6129, the calendar might have year 17 as the year of the latest Pesach. If so, year 6129 would be the end of the 40 years, so that the 144 would end in 6133. That is 214 years after 40 years after Kibbutz Galuyot, in accordance of the Shita of Rebbi Yitzchak.
I thought there might be something of this nature regarding the 210/214. But I don't know how to make that calculation.
ReplyDeleteAmazing to think that the discussion about 210/214 is really about a decision of the future Sanhedrin. Also amazing to think that Sanhedrin would have the power change the date of Techiat HaMetim.
ReplyDeleteFascinating observation. Eilu v'Eilu divrei Elokim Chayim. Yashar Koach
ReplyDeleteברוך תהיה
ReplyDeleteIn the course of the discussion I have come to realize more about the names of HaShem. Namely, that the 4 and 42 letter names are associated to Adam Kadmon and the 72 name is associated to Atzilut. All Partzfim in Atzilut, in their counting, have a relationship to 72, or the related 66. Keter, Chochma, Bina, Daat, Z"A and Malchut (divide by 7).
ReplyDeleteThe ten-letter name that was known to the Cohanim seems the same as 72, the Sephirot. The letters of HaShem are of course also associated to Chochma, Bina, Z"A, and Malchut. HaShem Hu HaElokim.
Yashar Koach
ReplyDeleteDon't forget the two split names of the 4 letter name.
Correct.
ReplyDeleteAnd then. The revolutions in fundamental physics and biology, and subsequent understanding regarding the creation of the Universe and its evolution, is to give us novel understanding of the highest names of HaShem.
ReplyDeleteA small brain-storm:
ReplyDeleteThe 73,440 years that man existed before Yetziat Mitzrayim point at the Hanhaga of Keter, and the name of 72. I understand that 72,000 years were under Keter, and 1440 under the three Mochin. To make it add up, I tentatively propose it is like this. Chochma is 100, to be mapped with factor 10/2 to the first 500 years after Keter. Bina is 100 as well, and is mapped with factor 2*2 to the next 400 years. Da'at is 135 (1335-1200), mapped with factor 2*2 to the last 540 physical years before Yetziat Mitzrayim.
Regarding the order, Chochma is higher than Bina, because its scaling factor is bigger. Da'at is lower than Bina because its number (135) is higher.
Another aspect:
ReplyDeleteWe know that Malchut came down to the lower worlds. It seems like this. If the scaling factor is 1, Malchut is at its destination. If it is higher, it is elevated above the lower worlds.
The six Sephirot before Malchut were elevated very much above the lower worlds. Hence the big scaling factor, 3*100*1000. Later they came down together with Malchut as Z"A. Malchut came down gradually. Until Yetziat Mitzrayim it was still removed. Hence the scaling factor 10*3. After that it came down all the way. At Bayit Rishon it rose towards the Mochin but lacking Shleimut Malchut could not elevate the lower worlds with it. So it elevated itself from the lower worlds. Hence the factor 10/3. At Bayit Sheni, Malchut came down again. Next time Malchut will go up, it will be together with all lower worlds.
Regarding your last comment:
ReplyDeleteI don't know if you have a sefer of the GR"A's drashot, but if you do, see one on Breishit 22:14. It is in Aderet Eliyahu as well as others. From Avraham to Moshe, the Shechinah was brought down one rakia. It would seem that the scaling, if so, would be between those generations.
Thanks. I have it, and check it, hopefully, during Shabbat.
ReplyDeleteI see you found time to compile this. It is beautiful; it made me very pleased.
ReplyDeleteYashar Koach and Shabbat Shalom
Be blessed. Perhaps consider the following. You tried to find the mapping of 600 years of Z"A to real years. I think it simple now: 4800/600=2*2*2.
ReplyDeleteShavua Tov
ReplyDeleteYour 4800 years, though, are until 6129, my 600 are until 6000. Please explain further.
Shavua Tov. I am proposing that the 600 will go until 6129.
ReplyDeleteI think it goes further than that and that the six Sephirot each have 800 physcial years and not 1000 of Malchut. If so, Yesod started in 5329, just before the Arizal started teaching.
If Nukva gets the Gevurot from Z"A over the 6 millenia, Z"A gets the Chasadim from Nukva. The question is when. If the 6 millenia are the 6 Ketzavot, we are implying that it is not 5 against 5, the bechinah of the two partzufim through Da'at, but rather the Sefirot of Atzilut: the 6 for Z"A and the 1 for Nukva. That would mean that the opposing Tikkun is only the fixing of Malchut, not 6 parts.
ReplyDeleteThere is another period that presents itself: from the Hanhaga of Chochma (1329-1440 = -111) to 6129. The length of the period is 6240 years, 6 times 1040.
ReplyDeleteThe 5/5 principle expresses an equality between Z"A and Malchut. But on the other hand, the relation is not symmetric. Z"A gives vav to Malchut, without loosing it, so that equality is achieved.
ReplyDeleteThe 5/5 principle rules over the years of Malchut. It might be that the giving of the vav involves six periods of 800 from the birth of Z"A onwards, or six periods of 1040 years, from the latter phase of Ibbur onwards. Or both.
It seems to me that our approaches are essentially different:
ReplyDeleteYou are looking at the time scaling of the different partzufim, I'm looking at the time scaling of the development of the partzuf.
It could be that every scaling factor corresponds to a Rakia. If so, it would seem to be like this:
ReplyDeleteFirst Rakia: 10/3
Second Rakia: 2*2
Third Rakia: 10/2
Fourth Rakia: 3*10
Fifth Rakia: 1000
Sixth Rakia: 3*100*1000*1000
Seventh Rakia: time does not apply
This, of course, would not align with the GR"A's drash there in Aderet Eliyahu. The descent of the Shechinah was relatively quick per that.
ReplyDeleteI forgot 10:
ReplyDeleteFirst Rakia: 10/3
Second Rakia: 2*2
Third Rakia: 10/2
Fourth Rakia: 10
Fifth Rakia: 3*10
Sixth Rakia: 1000
Seventh Rakia: 3*100*1000*1000
Regarding your remark: Tsarich Iyun...
Another revision:
ReplyDeleteFirst Rakia: 10/3
Second Rakia: 2*2
Third Rakia: 10/2
Fourth Rakia: 10
Fifth Rakia: 3*10
Sixth Rakia: 1000
Eighth Rakia: 3*100*1000
Eighth Rakia: 3*100*1000*1000
I mean:
ReplyDeleteFirst Rakia: 10/3
Second Rakia: 2*2
Third Rakia: 10/2
Fourth Rakia: 10
Fifth Rakia: 3*10
Sixth Rakia: 1000
Seventh Rakia: 3*100*1000
Eighth Rakia: 3*100*1000*1000
I have not studied the concept of the Reki'im, but is there such a thing as above the 7th?
ReplyDeleteThe identification with Rekiim is not perfect. Thanks for the feedback. Yet, I have the feeling there is something to it. I do need eight levels. Maybe there is another (presumably higher) concept to connect them to. I'll think it over.
ReplyDeleteAlas, you already had a number of levels, no? It is the descent of hanhagah to the bottom of Atzilut.
ReplyDeleteAdam Kadmon, Atik Yomin, Keter, Chochmah, Binah, perhaps Da'at, Vav Ketzavot, and Malchut.
We can leave the meaning of the GR"A there for something else perhaps.
I saw your latest post.
ReplyDeleteWhat changed that you are now publishing this?